Showing posts with label Granger -Gordon. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Granger -Gordon. Show all posts

Friday, July 12, 2019

Skirmishes and Union Capture of Tunnel Hill Pass, Feb. 1864; Deplorable Condition of First Brigade Cavalry Horses; Lack of Forage



On February 24, 1864, Lieutenant-Colonel and Assistant Inspector-General, R. O. Selfridge, writes to Lieutenant-Colonel J.S. Fullerton, Assistant Adjutant-General, from Headquarters of the Second Brigade, Cavalry Division, (U.S.) at Madisonville (Tennessee) some reports on activities near Loudon (Tennessee). In that correspondence, he also mentions the deplorable condition of Col. (Archibald P.) Campbell's First Brigade Cavalry, for want of forage for their horses. The men, also, had been without clothing and supplies, but he does mention that some arrived "last night." He complains of lax discipline, as well.
"The First Brigade, Colonel Campbell, which has been on the Citico Creek, 6 miles above Motley's, marched yesterday to a point 5 miles south of this place, and is now there. This is the only part of the command that I have yet seen, and it is in sufficiently deplorable condition. The men are in good condition physically, but much in need of clothing, which I was glad to see arrive last night. But the horses are reduced to almost the last stage, and unless forage can be speedily procured, the entire command must be speedily dismounted. The horses, besides being starved, are sore-backed, sore-footed, and presently a sorry sight. Discipline is lax, and the whole command seems loose and unserviceable. It will want a terrible deal of pains to make it effective again. Of about 900 men for duty, 300 are dismounted."
O.R., Vol. 32, Pt. 2 (Correspondence, Etc.), pages 457-458
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth152633/m1/457/

Below that, on the same page, is Major-General Gordon Granger's endorsement of Selfridge's assessment. Granger writes from Headquarters of U.S. Forces at Loudon (Tennessee), on February 25, 1864, to General Commanding Department Headquarters:

"I cannot see the possibility of longer subsisting our cavalry upon the country, as nearly every nook and corner is exhausted of forage and subsistence. The only means of keeping it alive is by bringing supplies by the cars and boat. About seven cars per day are required to maintain the cavalry along the railroad between this and Charleston [Tennessee]. Unless this is attended to at once we will be minus cavalry within three weeks."
                                                         G. Granger
                                                         Major-General, Commanding
O.R., Vol. 32, Pt. 2 (Correspondence, Etc.), page 458
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth152633/m1/458/


Just one day before that, General Thomas had written to General Grant of skirmishes at Tunnel Hill, near Dalton, Georgia. The correspondence is dated Chattanooga, Feb. 24, 1864, 4 a.m., and says, "Reports from the front just received." Thomas goes on to say that his skirmishers drove the enemy for four miles "through Tunnel Hill on the double-quick." He says

"Colonel Long went within 3 1/2 miles of Dalton, and drove a regiment of infantry out of winter quarters. Our main force camped within 3 miles of Tunnel Hill last night, and will be on the road to Dalton to-morrow night."
At 10 a.m., General Grant responded to General Thomas
"Your dispatch received. Push the enemy as far as possible. If unable to carry Dalton, keep, at any rate, a heavy force threatening it, so as to hold all the enemy there. Sherman's safety may be dependent upon your efforts. Should you drive the enemy out of Dalton, follow him as far as possible. If you have sufficiently recovered your health, I would like to have you go out to the front in person, if only to see the situation of affairs and return."

                                                                  U.S. Grant,
                                                                  Major-General

At 9 p.m. on the 24th, General Thomas writes back that "we have just gained possession of Tunnel Hill pass; small loss." He then goes on to report on a dispatch from McCook concerning cavalry actions near Murphy, N.C. Further miscellaneous correspondence on page 459 and subsequent pages give a few more details about Dalton.

O.R., Vol. 32, Pt. 2 (Correspondence, Etc.), pages 458-459
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth152633/m1/458/




Saturday, August 6, 2016

Tracking a Quote: Gordon Granger: All Hell Can't Stop Them

When asked by Grant if he (Granger) ordered the charge up Missionary Ridge, Gordon Granger is supposed to have said, "No, ... but once those boys get started, all hell can't stop 'em." There are several variations on the quote. My searches were conducted by Internet, only. So far, I haven't found the anecdote in original correspondence or memoirs of any famous figure who was at the battle. Most of the versions I found were modern sources. I did finally find several sources dating back to the 1880s and 1890s, and some in the next decade or two; so it was frequently quoted, and dates at least to two decades after the end of the war, if not before then.

In tracking the quote, the earliest version I've found, so far, is from 1887:

Century Illustrated, 1887
Source: J.S. Fullerton, "The Army of the Cumberland at Chattanooga" (136-150), The Century Illustrated Monthly Magazine (Vol 34), (via Google eBooks; orig. publ.: Century Company, 1887), 147.
[Granger]: " '...they started up without orders. When those fellows get started, all hell can't stop them.' "
http://bit.ly/Century-Illus-1887-vol34-p147

Note: J.S. Fullerton, the author of the above article, is probably the same person as J.S. Fullerton, Assistant Adjutant General, Army of the Cumberland, who wrote this piece of 1863 correspondence to General Gordon Granger. [Ref.: O.R., Ser. 1, vol. 31, Pt. 3 (Correspondence), (Fullerton to Granger, Dec. 24, 1863, 483-484), 484.]
J.S. Fullerton correspondence in Official Records
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth152608/m1/493/?q=laiboldt

Variations/Sources:

Official Report of the Twelfth International Christian Endeavor Convention (vols. 11-14), (Boston: United Society of Christian Endeavor, 1893), 271.

[QUOTE]: Granger replied: "No, I did not; but I tell you, general, that when those fellows get started all hell can't stop them." [END QUOTE]

The above instance appears to be a speech--amusing remarks are followed by this bracketed word: 
"[Laughter.]"

Contrib.: United Society of Christian Endeavor, International Society of Christian Endeavor
Publisher: United Society of Christian Endeavor, 1893.
(The PDF contains multiple volumes, not numbered. Quote is on page 271 of the journal entitled "...Twelfth...").
Short URL: http://bit.ly/Twelfth-Intl-Christian-Endeavor-1893-p271

Long URL: https://books.google.com/books?id=GaBVAAAAYAAJ&lpg=RA1-PA271&ots=Y_w3twrJN0&dq=Report%20of%20the%20Twelfth%20International%20Christian%20Endeavor%20and%20all%20hell%20can't%20stop%20them&pg=RA1-PA271#v=onepage&q=%22all%20hell%20can't%20stop%20them.%22&f=false

Most of the older incidents of this quote are from speeches in trade journals and the like.

The line was not quoted by Brevet Captain Bradford R. Wood in his 1907 paper, "Chattanooga and Missionary Ridge from Lookout Mountain." In the paper, he gives his own comment, during the event, as
During the battle, Wood received messages from Granger, but probably was not within earshot of Granger. (Not linked here).


In recent publications, the line is being quoted with slightly different wording:

Wikipedia
Wikipedia article on the Army of the Cumberland, quoted, but not footnoted:
[QUOTE]: Granger then replied, "Once those boys get started, all hell can't stop 'em." [END QUOTE]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_the_Cumberland


World Heritage Encyclopedia
"Army of the Cumberland," World Heritage Encyclopedia (via Project Gutenberg):
[QUOTE]: Granger then replied, "Once those boys get started, all hell can't stop 'em." [END QUOTE]
http://self.gutenberg.org/article/whebn0001041853/army%20of%20the%20cumberland


Sergeant Tom's War
C. G. Richardson, Sergeant Tom's War: A Tale of the Illinois 40th Volunteer Infantry, (via Google Books Preview) (n.p.: Xlibris Corporation, 2011), 188.
https://books.google.com/books?id=jnhlI98HDoYC&lpg=PA188&ots=-fjHuHJeOu&dq=army%20of%20the%20cumberland%20and%20boys%20get%20started%20all%20hell%20can't%20stop%20'em&pg=PA188#v=onepage&q&f=false


Redman article about Battle for Chattanooga
"The Battles for Chattanooga 23, 24, and 25 Nov. 1863" (designated as Page 725):
Bob Redman
[QUOTE]: "No," said Granger; "they started up without orders. When those fellows get started all hell can't stop them." [END QUOTE]
http://www.aotc.net/Chattanooga.htm

In a couple of instances, I found the quote attributed to Thomas, not listed here.